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Please check out this journal for my commission details. But now you all have a working example! :D Complete with cute little stickers ^-^

All prices are in CAD.


DenizenV1 2011
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LithCoir Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
hmm.. do you still have problems with getting commissions?
Just curious, cause I've read some comments now. o:

I think they might be a bit too high, but on the other hand, you do very good proportions, you seem to have a steaddy hand for lines, and you make clean and nice work.. o: hmm..
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Denizen-v1 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My commissions will be reopening as of Monday 19th, after a necessary hiatus, but yeah, I've only had 1 request thus far XD;

I should like to state that these are just guide prices. Depending on what you want, what you get could be cheaper, or finished to an improved quality (because my style's always improving). It's all quite variable, and really it's driven by how much a request deviates from the examples set out here.

Personally, I strive for (if not perfection) believability, with a strong sense of personality in everything I do. I believe in capturing the essence of a character, within a context, and trying to convey some more complex concept through expression or posture. I put a lot of effort into making the character speak volumes. So while we have the visual end product as one thing, what I actually do during the process is much more involved.

^_^! Thank you, I do work hard at producing presentable results ^^! I would be more than grateful for a commission, but of course the decision is entirely your own. I merely provide a flexible service.

In any case, many thanks for stopping by and commenting. I appreciate all the feedback I get and endeavour to ensure no comment goes unanswered.
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firheart Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
way 2 much
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Denizen-v1 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What sort of prices would you expect for these outcomes then? :)
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firheart Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
well its just way 2 much 4 a detailed peice not 2 be rood or anything
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Denizen-v1 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't consider it rude :D I'm just curious to know what value -you- would put on these images :) If I can discover that, then I can get a better idea of what my audience is willing to accept ^,,^
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firheart Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
well like in the real world i have found that their are a variety of prices so can you tell me a amount of pictures are bought weekly
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Denizen-v1 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Are you asking how many commission requests I'm getting per week? :) If so, the average is 0, but that's mostly because I'm widely unknown. But I have done quite a lot of research on price sheets and my prices are fairly competitive in some circles, especially for turn around time and quality. Some people do charge less, but then some others charge up to 100 times as much. My main selling point is me: I have lots of experience working with tough clients and being competitive, and can therefore keep you more up to date with progress than other artists. I'm also very reasonable when it comes to adjustments and alterations, and I'm able to negotiate on all of these prices.

Can't really ask for a fairer deal than that :) Of course, if you think it's still too much to ask, then I'll take your feedback as constructive advice and continue to improve my service and product quality on offer ^-^!
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firheart Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
ha i got a very detailed and animated for only 5 pionts so 25 cents tell me a better/fairer deal
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Denizen-v1 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd love to see this piece you're talking about to gauge an appropriate response.
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Vaporeon249 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011
I think you're way too expensive for what you offer. $30 for something without a background is too much.
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Denizen-v1 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ok, what would you suggest? :) I'm open to opinions and feedback.
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Vaporeon249 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011
I'd search out commission pricing guides on deviantArt and Fur Affinity, making note of skill level and the popularity of the artist. Popular artists overcharge by a lot because they can.
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Temrin Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011  Professional General Artist
(i beg to differ.)
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Vaporeon249 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011
Helps when you draw nudes and porn (and have an FA account as I've checked).
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Teakany Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011
doesn't seem very classy to take a stab at someone because they disagree with you Vaporeon249. especially with out properly looking into what your talking about ^^
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Vaporeon249 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011
I did the reference rounds, and commissions for a year. I'm just not into furries, or actively watching people, so pulling out the stuff I looked at from over a year ago is a bit long ago.
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Temrin Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011  Professional General Artist
I started out on DA. For your information :3
With no adult works. Thanks ^^
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Vaporeon249 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011
Most popular commissioners on FA all draw porn to some extent.
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Temrin Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011  Professional General Artist
Actually. No. Lizardbeth is a great example of a VERY popular artist who does not draw smut at ALL.

Also, you missed what i said. When i started off, I didnt draw anything of adult nature. At all. I was starting out just as Denizen is.( i didnt start drawing adult content up until a few years ago.) My prices were similar to his. Negotiable just as his are right now. Etc. As much as you do have some good points in your posts, i find that some of your assumptions that popular artists can charge whatever they want is not true as well as a few other things but i wont get into those. You sound like you are stating fact. not 'oppinion'. Do you know each and every 'popular' artist? I doubt it. :/ Just sayin~
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Denizen-v1 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ok, I've just taken a good long look at commission pricing guides, and I must say that I don't think I'm too far off with mine. Some people are charging more than double my full coloured option for clean line art. I saw one on FA that had a price of $85 (where I'd charge $30), and some would charge +$55 for additions.

I don't aim to over charge people, because I feel that, in many ways, may be dishonest. I aim to present prices which reflect the amount of work, care and attention that goes into a picture. Of course, I also need to consider profit (as we all do) and so that's also balanced against my current needs.

I've priced this up in CAD, as mentioned in the description, but I live in the UK; it wouldn't be practical to price things up in pounds sterling as the greater capture range is in the States and Canada :) I need to be able to earn something from doing commissions, and the exchange rate may not allow for it if the prices are much lower; however, having said that, I am keen to learn what you would expect to see for prices for this level of work :)

I am carefully considering what you're saying and I'm more than happy to reassess these prices if need be :)
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Vaporeon249 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011
Note popularity. Also if you're searching by "Popular" in either case, most of those people are 'top' artists, and unfortunately most people reference that. It's not realistic.
Truthfully, charging minimum wage for art, based on how long you take isn't particularly realistic. If you take 3-4 hours, and minimum wage is roughly $10 cad, then usually it's lower than minimum when it comes to art. Most people can't survive on an artist wage. And most people aren't willing to pay big bucks unless a.) you're really good b.) you're really popular c.) you excel at something really kinky. You may get the furries on Fur Affinity to buy for what you charge, however, you simply will not get that on dA. People on dA are stingy, and it's simply not a commission culture.
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Denizen-v1 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:) With all due respect, I did note popularity. Which is why I looked at a cross section of highly skilled artists, and those starting out. I saw one artist who was charging $1-$5, but I couldn't possibly charge so little because it simply won't exchange into anything that reflects the amount of effort that goes into it, and I have it under good advice not to charge below $10 for sketches because it's suggested no one would take me seriously enough.

Perhaps you're familiar with the exchange rate between Canada and England, but in the off chance you aren't, then $10 CAD = (after PayPal) 6 GBP. Relatively speaking, there isn't all too much you can do with 6, but a few of those will get me to University and back.

The really good artists here and on FA started somewhere. They probably started off super cheap, with raffles, gifts, prizes, contests, that sort of thing. Once they built up some following (and after much effort) they probably introduced commissions and pricings that were equally questioned. They probably attended cons and gained some attention that way - though I appreciate not all - and slowly, gradually built a reputation :)

I think in some way you may be both misinterpreting what I'm trying to achieve here, and underselling the culture on dA. I know a friend of mine at times receives a lot of interest and commission requests - enough that they were able to help her survive, though it wasn't easy by any means. So I think the -interest- is there, but the community needs a lot of convincing because the target audience is relatively young, and/or has very high expectations.

Which brings us onto your first point: being really good. Yes, if you're really good, then chances are people will be more sold on the idea of paying for your services. I acknowledge, too, that drawing kinky stuff attracts a lot of attention.

I'm quick to improve and experiment, and I don't believe in doing just one thing. If someone wants something smutty then I'll well receive the request, but if I feel that those services may be better served elsewhere then I won't mislead the person asking just for the sake of a few quid.

To clarify exactly what I'm trying to do here: I'm looking to offset some of my weekly expenditure, by a comparatively modest percentage, while I apply for jobs. I have no intention, and nor am I under illusions regarding the profitability (or lack thereof), of trying to survive by doing this. I simply want to, in a small way, lessen the impact of the out-goings.

I should also like to add that what you see here is simply an example and not to be seen as the be-all and end-all of the quality on offer. There is a high chance that a finished piece will be higher in quality than that shown here :)

Would you have any suggestions on what would help qualify the prices here against their respective examples?
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Vaporeon249 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011
My stance for you is the two things 1.) You're probably ripping someone off when I know better artists that are cheaper. 2.) That if you start off high, you might scare off people and not get any business.
I wouldn't be able to provide valid examples, unless I link to the very few people I even know of on FA (and I'm not linking to that porn infested, insta-ban thing). And as for dA, few people I know of have much success, then again, I'm associated with the Mewtwo community, and most people low ball and aren't successful still.
Try with what you've got, and if you've got no nibbles in a few weeks, maybe you will have to consider taking it down a few notches. That will be the best indicator in the end.
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Denizen-v1 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's fair enough. I'll take that all as advisory and will see how it goes :) Many thanks ^^
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SnowblindOtter Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow...you're an amazing artist...I'd love to commission you if I had the cash...unfortunately I'm broke as it is
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Denizen-v1 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:( Sorry to hear that. I hope your luck and fortune certainly improves soon! ^,,^!
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SnowblindOtter Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you! I hope everything goes good for your artwork =D
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Denizen-v1 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks ^^ Fingers crossed for the both of us! ^^!
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SnowblindOtter Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed!
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Colonel-Eviscerator Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2011
Hmmn. Perhaps when I get paid next.
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